Scarlet ([info]scarletdemon) wrote,
@ 2008-03-10 21:40:00
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Love, the most lied about subject on Earth...Without further ado, let me dispel for you:

The Nine Biggest Myths About Love

"Love is blind": This sounds great but in practice it just isn't true. People tend to go for the best-looking partner they can tolerate/get and that's usually someone "in their league". When the beauty balance is out, we can be fairly sure other factors are coming into play. If I see some incredibly pretty bloke with a minging fat bird on his arm I don't think "love is blind", I usually think "I bet she fucks like a whore". Love can also appear to be blind when, in fact, one person's view of their ugly partner is merely being obscured by huge piles of that partner's money.

"Love conquers all": No it doesn't. I hate that evil "romantic" notion that if we love someone ENOUGH, they won't die. That if we can just let our tears fall on the fur of an injured pet it will spring up and run about, cured. You see it all the time in (often children's) films and it is a LIE. Bad things happen, full stop. If anything, love makes us feel the pain caused by bad things more acutely.

"Sex is better if you are with someone you love": Oh dear, if only it were so. Sex is better when you are with someone who is good at sex, or at least very sexually compatible with you. If love = great sex the World would be full of couples celebrating their "Golden Anniversary" and hundreds of women's magazines would go out of business.

"You can't really love someone else unless you love yourself first": This is the sort of nonsense that Americans eat up and British people shudder at. I can see how Americans would believe it, with their perfect smiles, big cars and loud-ass egos. If this myth about love was true though, Britain would be a nation of childless hermits, waiting to become extinct.

"If you really loved me you'd trust me": One of the two "Check Your Brain In At The Door" myths about love. I'm sure lots of people who are worthy of trust are instead enduring the paranoia of partners too wrapped up in their own power and jealousy issues to be truly in "love". But then again, it is perfectly possible to love someone who can't be trusted, hence the idea of a "loveable rogue", or the vast success enjoyed at women's expense by men who are utter bastards. And vice versa.

"When you love someone they complete you": Oh god, I think I'm going to be sick. Jigsaws get completed. Lego models get completed. My tax form (finally) got completed. I AM A PERSON, I will know I am complete when I croak my last breath. The idea that anyone can regard themselves as "complete", before they've lived every moment possible, horrifies me. The idea that someone can be "completed" by the addition of someone else's love (like some sort of emotional Frankenstein) is even less appealing.

"Love is unconditional": Only if you are the baby Jesus. The second "Check Your Brain In At The Door" myth about love.

"Love is never having to say you are sorry": I don't know who came up with this idea but I'm pretty sure they have never been in a romantic relationship. Maybe it's just me but love seems to mean that you are saying sorry about six times a day on average, sometimes about things where you really have no idea what it is you are supposed to have done.

"The One": The most twisted, cruel and untrue myth of all. The idea that we all have just ONE person out there that we are MEANT to be with causes more undue stress and misery than all of my yearly tax forms rolled into one. I'm not saying "anyone will do" but I think most people will meet plenty of potential "love" possibilities in their lives, as long as they are out there and open to the idea. The idea of a "Soul Mate" is supposed to be beautiful but to me it smells of complacency and lack of passion. If you are lonely and haven't met "The One" your best bet might be to look at yourself and try to see why you can't connect with people, rather than to curse the stars and sit waiting for Mr. (or Miss) Right.


Thoughts, as ever are welcome.



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[info]mycroftca
2008-03-10 09:47 pm UTC (link)
>Britain would be a nation of childless hermits, waiting to become extinct<

Isn't it?

Oh, no, that's Germany and France...

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[info]upstart_crow
2008-03-10 10:02 pm UTC (link)
It's really nice to see you back :) I was wondering where you'd gone.

I agree with all of these, but I do contest #4 a bit. I don't think you have to be fully at peace with yourself and fully comfortable with yourself to find love (most people aren't), but I think you have to have some degree of self-regard first. Otherwise, I'm not even sure how one finds the courage to even acknowledge being in love with someone, or think that you even deserve to have such feelings for another person.

I mean, in general the idea is bunk. But without any self-regard at all, I think it's quite likely that someone would confuse being in love with a number of things, including being so lonely and desperate that any partner would do, even if s/he's abusive. I noticed that I only truly fell in love with someone when I was able to accept the fact that I didn't deserve to be emotionally abused or neglected in a relationship. I had a long way to go towards finding any modicum of self-love at that point, but I had to have at least a little self-respect first before I could even be open to the idea.

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[info]evalien
2008-03-10 10:02 pm UTC (link)
Only one big thought and that's I wouldn't mind this entry on one of those decorative tiles. Thanks!

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[info]notaboyscout
2008-03-10 10:03 pm UTC (link)
I like Lily Tomlin's version of #8 better:
"Being a New Yorker means never having to say you're sorry."

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[info]notaboyscout
2008-03-10 10:04 pm UTC (link)
I prefer the practice of polyamory to the myths of #6 & #9.

But that's just me.

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[info]ladyfox7oaks
2008-03-10 10:06 pm UTC (link)
There is not enough "AMEN!!!!" in the world to say how much I agree with this... May I print this up and start handing the flyers out to my friends and family?

(Having BEEN a victim of #2, #4, #6, #7, #9... and still fighting off those particular demons... sorry.)

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[info]fax_celestis
2008-03-10 10:09 pm UTC (link)
I think #3 is perpetuated by the fact that, if your lover is any kind of good in the sack, they will get better the more you have sex with them. This stems from he fact that they're practicing--and specifically, practicing and learning about sex the way you like it--and not from any sort of "intense growing emotional bond."

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[info]dativesingular
2008-03-10 10:30 pm UTC (link)
So, does that mean penises are blind instead?

Sorry, it's been a while and I wanted an excuse to say "penis" on your LJ.

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Hear! hear!
[info]cindy_reddeer
2008-03-10 10:30 pm UTC (link)
This post is proof positive love sex & taxes don't mix even if the last part of ta(xes) is sex. lol

My parents will be celebrating their 50th Wedding Anniversary in 2009...none..I mean none, of these things are true. Well, I think my parents had really good sex, but any time my Mom talks about it I go deaf. o.O

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Their 50 years together has been rife with I'm sorry and conditions. But they did prevail...although when I travel with them they can argue like 5 year olds. Dad has had to earn trust back a few times with his drinking.

I think sometimes "The One" means the one who can tolerate you for the longest. ;-)



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[info]sarahsavant
2008-03-10 11:00 pm UTC (link)
I believe in soul mates, but not the idea that everyone has a singular soul mate out there waiting to be found. Sometimes, I think people are meant to be together for a given period of their lives, for some reason or another. It can be platonic, romantic or familiar. Your first soulmate is your mother, then maybe a best friend and then a lover, then a husband, then a second husband. Everything happens for a reason, but limiting ourselves to one person who is "meant to be" for the rest of our lives, seems over-dreamy.

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[info]unimag
2008-03-11 01:33 am UTC (link)
"Everything happens for a reason"

You should probably avoid saying that to anyone who has been, say, recently bereaved. Or disabled.

I fucking hate that phrase* - it's right up there with 'God has a plan for all of us' which just makes me want to say "oh, so god planned for my mum to get cancer, and then for it to spread into her brain did he? What a bastard."

*Can you tell?

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[info]sarahsavant
2008-03-11 01:41 am UTC (link)
That seems unnecessarily harsh and grim.

I believe in fate. I believe things happen for a reason.

In the last five years, I've lost two grandparents, my father and a good friend to terminal diseases or accidents. Two of those deaths happened in the last month.

Sure, when it's recent and raw...it's hard to think like that.

I didn't get my sense of levity until I lost my dad, however. I spent years hating "god" and spitting on the idea of fate and karma. Now, I look at it a bit differently.

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[info]unimag
2008-03-12 05:25 am UTC (link)
Yeah, and when the reason is "they had a terminal disease" or "they got hit by a bus", I can get behind things happening for one.

But the idea of there being some sort of other magical reason... well, aside from the concept of everything happening according to some sort of grand design being one of the top 5 most terrifying things I've ever imagined, the idea that shitty stuff happens to other people for my benefit is far too arrogant, even for me.

(and karma offends me on general principles; the idea that everyone deserves the terrible things that happen to them... that seems unnecssarily harsh and grim, having seen the sort of shit that sometimes happens to genuinely good people*)

Even random chance feels more comforting to me than fate & karma.

*not me, obviously

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[info]solar_diablo
2008-03-10 11:07 pm UTC (link)
Hard to argue with most of this. Never believed unconditional love was something a human being was capable of, sure as hell don't buy "The One" myth.

And damn right, Americans love themselves. How could we not - we're Americans! Good Lord, you Brits were at the top of the heap at one point in history - don't you remember how that felt? Don't you get a wee bit of ego thinking that 90% of Yanks will ignore your shoddy teeth and insecurities and tiny cars the moment we hear your accent, which of COURSE we translate as educated and urbane and utterly fuckable. I mean honestly, how else does Hugh Grant ever get laid?

You all need a severe kick in the self-esteem. Bend over.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-21 03:32 am UTC (link)
Why does an American accent make the speaker sound like an idiot immediately? Especially on the Internet?

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[info]solar_diablo
2008-03-21 03:47 am UTC (link)
I blame Bush.

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[info]geekalpha
2008-03-11 12:47 am UTC (link)
1. I love you for posting this.

2. "I usually think "I bet she fucks like a whore"."

Yes. Yes, she does. We like that. More people ought to try this. Which leads me to:

3. "If love = great sex the World would be full of couples celebrating their "Golden Anniversary" and hundreds of women's magazines would go out of business."

Yep. And from the opposite side of the house, I can't count how many people, men and women, I have known that were completely wrapped around the axle by fantastic sex that they were having with utter losers, to later hear them make weak assertions about how great it is being with that worthwhile person they love.

Yeah, life would be much better if we would all at least get honest about the relationship between sex and love. I know my life would sure have been better growing up if I had never been fed this lie. I would have saved myself a lot of time and bullshit.

4. "If this myth about love was true though, Britain would be a nation of childless hermits, waiting to become extinct."

You mean it isn't?

"This is the sort of nonsense that Americans eat up"

Actually, I am totally with you on this. I started hearing this bullshit first from the self-help pseudo-psychology spouted from people in treatment for addiction and codependent (read: sick and pathetic) relationships. I believe this narcissistic feel-good me-me-me entitlement message swept the pathetically needy by storm and through daytime television has infected the American conscious like a rash. Go us. I'm just glad it turns someone else's stomach, as I was starting to suspect that good sense was dead.

5. "If you really loved me [insert any phrase here]"

This phrase followed by anything is evil and instantly identifies someone that is your enemy. I recommend purging with fire.

Secondly, anyone who makes a case for why they should be trusted, probably is the very last person you should trust. The more frequently this demand or request is made, even as a throwaway passing comment, the less trustworthy this person is. If this person further appeals to authority, morality, religion, or personal references as to why they should be trusted, they absolutely should not be. Hide your wallet.

Finally, "why would I lie?" is absolutely synonymous with (in every case, no exceptions) "I am lying, and I lie for no good reason that you are likely to surmise, because you are a fool and I know it."

6. "Love is never having to say you are sorry."

Ha. Haha. Hahaha.

This is the kind of phrase popularized by the kind of person who would say "why would I lie?"

7. "Love is unconditional"

No. No, it's not.

Although we all want the security of knowing that people will love us when we make mistakes, it is complete bullshit to expect anyone to be the doormat for those who aren't even trying.

Any person that has dignity and self-respect will place limits and boundaries on what they want and will and will not accept from other people.

8. "The One"

Yes. This myth sucks in almost every possible way.

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(Anonymous)
2008-03-12 04:59 am UTC (link)
"If you really loved me [insert any phrase here]"

What if the phrase was: "If you really loved me you'd shut the door and let me pee in pee in peace"?

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[info]geekalpha
2008-03-12 07:42 pm UTC (link)
If you really loved me, you wouldn't point out exceptions to my statements. :)

Edited at 2008-03-12 07:49 pm UTC

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[info]scarletdemon
2008-03-14 09:01 pm UTC (link)
Hahaha! I can see we share the same views on a lot of things.

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[info]almostwitty
2008-03-11 01:30 am UTC (link)
My thoughts? I hate love. Love is a destructive emotion. It's terrible, it doesn't always work out and even when it does work out it doesn't.

Shame I still want some. :P

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[info]manos99
2008-03-11 01:37 am UTC (link)
I disagree.

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[info]neversremedy
2008-03-11 02:21 am UTC (link)
What about the supposed rule that your partner is supposed to not only be "the one" who "completes" you, but they have to be your best friend, be willing to hear all your secrets and share their own, and spend every free moment with you.

I'm rather enamoured of frequent outings with my partner(s), and like to spend a significant amount of time with him/her, but if I didn't get a break once in an while or go out with my other "best friends" to chat about the trivial grievances about my partner, then I'd likely hack him/her up into tiny little pieces some night after a misspoken comment about the dinner I just prepared (usually after a long commute and full day of work). And there are some secrets no one needs to know about.

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[info]corwinok
2008-03-11 02:53 am UTC (link)
Wow! I think this post pretty much defines the term "spot-on correct" I think I need to print it out as a greeting card every February.

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[info]supremegoddess1
2008-03-11 03:44 am UTC (link)
mind if i meta a bit of this?

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[info]scarletdemon
2008-03-11 08:03 am UTC (link)
Help yourself!

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[info]supremegoddess1
2008-03-12 02:15 am UTC (link)
http://community.livejournal.com/metaquotes/6590424.html?mode=reply

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[info]stweep
2008-03-11 05:28 am UTC (link)
"You can't really love someone else unless you love yourself first"

As an american, I think some of it comes from that yahoo Ayn Rand. Her books were filled with that bullshit. It makes sense that before you can have a healthy relationship, you need to have a certain amout of self worth.

You don't have to love yourself though. I'm a jackass, haha! But I know how to love people I care about.

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[info]antrobus178
2008-03-11 05:28 am UTC (link)
Do people believe these? That is scary.

I came up with a rough estimate once that for every person on the planet there are roughly 3,000 people that they could fall madly in love with and remain happy with for the rest of their life. On a planet with 6,000,000,000 that's a ridiculously small percentage (.00005%) but 3,000 is still a hell of a lot of soulmates.

Now we've just got to find these 3,000 people and auction them off on Ebay.

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[info]geekalpha
2008-03-14 09:35 pm UTC (link)
The results of this sort of calculation are not always comforting.

I mean, it is quite possible that those 3,000 people all have clicks in their name and are selling their siblings for livestock.

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[info]antrobus178
2008-03-15 04:11 pm UTC (link)
Don't worry, that's all factored into it. If those are your people then you have some sort of clicky-language fetish.

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[info]missmelissamiss
2008-03-11 07:24 am UTC (link)
I think one you missed is the idea that if you love someone, then you have to "be with them"

there are people I love from a distance

a very, very far distance, because it's not safe to be close to them, which makes me sad but there it is

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[info]krazy_kitty_kat
2008-03-12 02:17 am UTC (link)
I absolutely and completely agree with this. There are people we love who are completely wrong for us and end up hurting us (usually unintentionally) over and over again. It's never a good thing to keep bouncing back to these people.

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[info]emmabovary
2008-03-11 08:08 am UTC (link)
[info]scarletdemon: as always, the best read on the internet.

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The One
[info]fluffworld
2008-03-11 09:01 am UTC (link)
Whenever people start going on about their "one twu wuv" theory, I usually grab the nearest large object and start swinging.
This can be embarrassing around midgets.

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[info]offensive_mango
2008-03-11 09:25 am UTC (link)
Love is blind
True, to the extent that when you love someone, minor physical imperfections you might have seen before you got to know them sort of disappear, or even become something you actually like. Similarly, someone who is physically attractive who turns out to be a fvckwit dickwad loses some of his gleam.

Sex is better if you are with someone you love
True to the extent that if you take Sex A with someone you love and Sex B with someone you don't love, where Sex A and Sex B are equally good in an objective sense, Sex A is better because there is the added bonus of good emotional intimacy as well as good physical intimacy.

You can't really love someone else unless you love yourself first
True to the extent that you can't fully immerse yourself in someone else if you're concentrating on yourself and how useless you are. You might still have a loving relationship, but the other person is always going to be frustrated by you putting yourself down. Also, it is easier to meet someone and have a chance of love if you have something to say to them other than how fat and unattractive you are or how terrible you are at your job.


Other than that, I agree.

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[info]agirlnamedluna
2008-03-11 10:51 am UTC (link)
*round of applause*

Those myths do seem typically American, here we seem much more realistic. Then again, movies have their influence now too.

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[info]sir_alf
2008-03-11 03:08 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure I agree with the above 100%, but I will admit most of the statements are false or at least require qualifiers.

One of my takes on love is that love is not an emotion. Emotions are swayed by hormones, what you had to eat that night, and what you saw on TV fifteen minutes ago. Love should not be so easily swayed. I think love is an action and a decision, the decision that someone's happiness means so much to you that you're going to do something constructive about it, even if it means effort and/or sacrifice on your part.

I'll leave my comments at that. Peace.

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[info]cosmicbandit
2008-03-12 01:34 am UTC (link)
This touches on why I hate that Celine Dion song "I'm Everything I Am Because You Loved Me". Gag. Nevermind that I really just can't stand her anyways.

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[info]splodgenoodles
2008-10-03 09:15 am UTC (link)
I bet she fucks like a whore"

You'll be pleased to know this phrase (indeed this post) has stuck with me long enough that I'm now incorporating this phrase into my life. As in:
10B is so wonderful for staying with you in spite of you being disabled now.

Not really, it's just that I fuck like a whore.

Thankyou.

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